when it's put that way. What I can't see is lumping Coz in with other vendors such as Z1 or AMS. If people want to say that these places copied someone elses product and placed their own improvements on them and sold them as their own product - then fine. In that regards, as long as that product meets my own preference as far as quality and price than I'm sold. To get all wrapped around the axle on the ethics and moral issues surrounding that is a pure waste of time and energy when there's nothing I can do to change that - nor is it my place to do so in the first place. To be so steadfast as to want those places to admit they had copied anything serves no purpose as it will change nothing in the end anyway. Yet to this very day there are still people that are bent on hearing someone say that AMS copied this or that - again, to what purpose? It serves nothing. You either like the product for what it is in itself or you don't and make your own personal choice from that. To try to convert others to your own way/perceptions of what they should buy or not buy based on those moral/ethical perceptions on your part is wrong. It's not yours or my place to do so. But getting back to your original statement, I agree when it crosses the line with the potential for safety/fire aspects.